• Re: BBSes today

    From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Nightfox on Saturday, August 15, 2020 17:13:26
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Fri Aug 14 2020 09:44 pm

    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 2020 12:02 am

    What is "text speak"?

    it is gr8 2 spk 2 u 2nyt. ty 4 ur rply.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Nightfox on Saturday, August 15, 2020 17:17:48
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Fri Aug 14 2020 09:45 pm

    TikTok is the new Vine. It's one of the most popular social media platforms among young adults/kids.

    Vine is something I'm not really familiar with either.. :P


    Haha, coming across all these massively popular social media apps which you've never heard of before can make you feel positively one-hundred years old.

    I hadn't heard of Vine either until after it died in 2017. It was particularly big in the USA.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Andeddu on Saturday, August 15, 2020 15:17:08
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 2020 05:17 pm

    I hadn't heard of Vine either until after it died in 2017. It was particularly big in the USA.

    There are some things I guess I don't pay much attention to. There's a TV show called Breaking Bad, which was apparently fairly popular, but I had never heard of it until there was a news story that it was in its last season. :P

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Saturday, August 15, 2020 18:03:45
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Fri Aug 14 2020 09:45 pm

    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 2020 12:12 am

    I hadn't even heard of TikTok until a few months ago, when TikTok was
    in the news for potentially being insecure and sending information
    back to China.

    TikTok is the new Vine. It's one of the most popular social media
    platforms among young adults/kids.

    Vine is something I'm not really familiar with either.. :P


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Andeddu on Saturday, August 15, 2020 18:54:18
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 2020 05:17 pm

    you've never heard of before can make you feel positively one-hundred years old.

    I hadn't heard of Vine either until after it died in 2017. It was particularly big in the USA.


    i miss vine. it was very entertaining.
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  • From Ogg@VERT/EOTLBBS to All on Saturday, August 15, 2020 21:11:00
    Hello MRO!

    ** On Saturday 15.08.20 - 19:03, mro wrote to Nightfox:

    Vine is something I'm not really familiar with either.. :P


    DO YOU LIVE IN A CAVE

    Maybe some people are not interested in visiting social media cess pools.

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  • From Underminer@VERT/UNDRMINE to MRO on Saturday, August 15, 2020 21:15:15
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 2020 06:03 pm

    TikTok is the new Vine. It's one of the most popular social media
    platforms among young adults/kids.
    Vine is something I'm not really familiar with either.. :P
    DO YOU LIVE IN A CAVE

    Maybe it's his Man-Cave?
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Saturday, August 15, 2020 23:54:50
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Ogg to All on Sat Aug 15 2020 09:11 pm

    Hello MRO!

    ** On Saturday 15.08.20 - 19:03, mro wrote to Nightfox:

    Vine is something I'm not really familiar with either.. :P


    DO YOU LIVE IN A CAVE

    Maybe some people are not interested in visiting social media cess pools.

    THEN GET OFF MY INTERNET.

    vine was just funny short videos.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Ogg on Saturday, August 15, 2020 22:23:53
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Ogg to All on Sat Aug 15 2020 09:11 pm

    Vine is something I'm not really familiar with either.. :P

    DO YOU LIVE IN A CAVE

    Maybe some people are not interested in visiting social media cess pools.

    It's just something I hadn't come across, I guess. It does sound vaguely familiar though. I browse the sites I like, and I don't always pay attention to what other people are using.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Underminer on Saturday, August 15, 2020 22:25:10
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Underminer to MRO on Sat Aug 15 2020 09:15 pm

    TikTok is the new Vine. It's one of the most popular social media
    platforms among young adults/kids.
    Vine is something I'm not really familiar with either.. :P

    DO YOU LIVE IN A CAVE

    Maybe it's his Man-Cave?

    I wouldn't mind having a proper man cave. Maybe in my next house. Ideally I wouldn't mind having a basement type room where I could set up a man cave, but that probably won't happen. There aren't many houses in my area with basements anyway. :P

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Saturday, August 15, 2020 22:26:30
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: MRO to Ogg on Sat Aug 15 2020 11:54 pm

    vine was just funny short videos.

    I have heard of "vines" as short videos. But I didn't realize there was a site called Vine. I've seen collections of "vines" as short funny videos on YouTube.

    Nightfox

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Andeddu on Sunday, August 16, 2020 00:05:00
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 2020 05:13 pm

    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Fri Aug 14 2020 09:44 pm

    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 2020 12:02 am

    What is "text speak"?

    it is gr8 2 spk 2 u 2nyt. ty 4 ur rply.

    Almost as annoying as sentences formed with emojis

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Andeddu on Sunday, August 16, 2020 00:06:00
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 2020 05:17 pm

    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Fri Aug 14 2020 09:45 pm

    TikTok is the new Vine. It's one of the most popular social media platforms among young adults/kids.

    Vine is something I'm not really familiar with either.. :P


    Haha, coming across all these massively popular social media apps which you' never heard of before can make you feel positively one-hundred years old.

    I hadn't heard of Vine either until after it died in 2017. It was particular big in the USA.


    Not big enough because i never heard of it either

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Dennisk on Sunday, August 16, 2020 19:15:00
    On 08-14-20 22:25, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    There were some differences with the API, and how it works internally,
    but from the POV of a user, its almost exactly the same. You likely
    won't have to do anything different except type "dnf" where you used to type "yum".

    So it's dead simple to switch to Dnf. :D

    A rolling Fedora distro does sound like not a bad way to go.

    Stick with what works for you. I don't feel the need to evangelise any particular distro, but if you do want to remain up to date, Fedora is great in that regard.

    Yeah, the primary determinant of what distro I use is the use case. A lot of software is easier to work with under one distro or another. Some particularly tricky to compile (usually because of a myriad of dependencies from multiple non standard sources) may be available precompiled for a particular distro, or dependencies may be easier to satisfy on certsin distros.

    Much amateur software these days tends to favour Debian based systems, and that's the primary reason I run mostly Debian or variants. There was a time when Red Hat/CentOS were the preferred distros.


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  • From Rampage@VERT/SESTAR to Nightfox on Sunday, August 16, 2020 08:53:00
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Sat Aug 15 2020 22:26:30


    vine was just funny short videos.

    Nightfox> I have heard of "vines" as short videos. But I didn't realize
    Nightfox> there was a site called Vine.

    the domain is/was the home of all those vine vids and the vine app ;)


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sunday, August 16, 2020 11:38:47
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Sat Aug 15 2020 10:26 pm

    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: MRO to Ogg on Sat Aug 15 2020 11:54 pm

    vine was just funny short videos.

    I have heard of "vines" as short videos. But I didn't realize there was a site called Vine. I've seen collections of "vines" as short funny videos on YouTube.

    it was an app
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Moondog on Sunday, August 16, 2020 11:39:20
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Moondog to Andeddu on Sun Aug 16 2020 12:06 am


    I hadn't heard of Vine either until after it died in 2017. It was
    particular
    big in the USA.


    Not big enough because i never heard of it either


    it was huge.
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  • From Underminer@VERT/UNDRMINE to Vk3jed on Sunday, August 16, 2020 13:28:58
    Re: Re: Linux
    By: Vk3jed to Dennisk on Sun Aug 16 2020 07:15 pm

    Yeah, the primary determinant of what distro I use is the use case. A lot of software is easier to work with under one distro or another. Some particularly tricky to compile (usually because of a myriad of
    Much amateur software these days tends to favour Debian based systems, and that's the primary reason I run mostly Debian or variants. There was a time when Red Hat/CentOS were the preferred distros.

    Yeah, if there's a package available there's going to be a .deb. The AUR is super nice in Arch though.
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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Nightfox on Sunday, August 16, 2020 17:28:28
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Sat Aug 15 2020 03:17 pm

    There are some things I guess I don't pay much attention to. There's a TV show called Breaking Bad, which was apparently fairly popular, but I had never heard of it until there was a news story that it was in its last season. :P

    Haha, I think everone's seen Breaking Bad over here except me, I can't be arsed watching something that's 5+ seasons long. Too much to get through, so I'd rather not bother.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to MRO on Sunday, August 16, 2020 17:59:16
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: MRO to Andeddu on Sat Aug 15 2020 06:54 pm

    i miss vine. it was very entertaining.

    TikTok is very similar... will you miss that too?

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Moondog on Sunday, August 16, 2020 18:52:34
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Moondog to Andeddu on Sun Aug 16 2020 12:06 am

    Not big enough because i never heard of it either

    Or perhaps, like us, you're just positively middle-aged.

    Vine is the app that created over 100 massive YouTube stars.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Andeddu on Sunday, August 16, 2020 19:38:33
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to MRO on Sun Aug 16 2020 05:59 pm

    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: MRO to Andeddu on Sat Aug 15 2020 06:54 pm

    i miss vine. it was very entertaining.

    TikTok is very similar... will you miss that too?

    it's similar but not the same entirely. i find it less enjoyable and i'm not an avid user.
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  • From Dennisk@VERT/EOTLBBS to Vk3jed on Monday, August 17, 2020 08:59:00
    Vk3jed wrote to Dennisk <=-

    On 08-14-20 22:25, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    There were some differences with the API, and how it works internally,
    but from the POV of a user, its almost exactly the same. You likely
    won't have to do anything different except type "dnf" where you used to type "yum".

    So it's dead simple to switch to Dnf. :D

    From yum? Yes. If you know yum, you know dnf.
    A rolling Fedora distro does sound like not a bad way to go.

    Stick with what works for you. I don't feel the need to evangelise any particular distro, but if you do want to remain up to date, Fedora is great in that regard.

    Yeah, the primary determinant of what distro I use is the use case. A
    lot of software is easier to work with under one distro or another.
    Some particularly tricky to compile (usually because of a myriad of dependencies from multiple non standard sources) may be available precompiled for a particular distro, or dependencies may be easier to satisfy on certsin distros.

    Much amateur software these days tends to favour Debian based systems,
    and that's the primary reason I run mostly Debian or variants. There
    was a time when Red Hat/CentOS were the preferred distros.

    I tend to find that there are sometimes .deb's where there aren't .rpms. Not often, but it does happen. Typically with software packaged by the software creator. On occasion, I've found a .deb, but no .rpm.

    Not a deal breaker, as its rare, but .deb system have a slight advantage there, and is probably the one factor which pushes me toward Debian.

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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to Nightfox on Sunday, August 16, 2020 20:56:00
    I know its unpopular, but with the TikTok/WhatsApp bans that Trump is bringing... I just think that America shouldn't tell its citizens wha they can and can't do. I can't wrapo my head around how thats OK. If

    I've heard of the TikTok ban, but haven't heard anything about WhatsApp being ba nned..

    Yea, along with TikTok hes trying to push a WhatsApp ban too - *IF* its not WhatsApp, its weibo or... one that like EVERYONE in China and India use. Regardless, I don't use either- but... if I wanted to, I thought I lived in America so that I could CHOOSE. Sure, inform me of the risks but.... free?



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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to DaiTengu on Sunday, August 16, 2020 20:59:00
    Linux is literally my day job. :)
    I'm a sysadmin for a large adtech company. I manage about 2000
    physical server s and a couple hundred virtual ones.
    dealing with Linux all day really has
    killed my desire to ti nker with it in my free time. :)

    Lol, I literally had a buddy who started using Linux at home for all his computing needs because he was a Windows admin in the 90s. :) I hear ya...



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  • From The Lizard Master@VERT/NITEEYES to Andeddu on Sunday, August 16, 2020 20:30:59
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sun Aug 16 2020 05:28 pm

    There are some things I guess I don't pay much attention to. There's a TV show called Breaking Bad, which was apparently fairly popular, but I had never heard of it until there was a news story that it was in its last season. :P

    Haha, I think everone's seen Breaking Bad over here except me, I can't be arsed watching something that's 5+ seasons long. Too much to get through, so I'd rather not bother.

    It's worth it. One of the best series of all-time.

    ---TLM

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Underminer on Monday, August 17, 2020 17:22:00
    On 08-16-20 13:28, Underminer wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    that's the primary reason I run mostly Debian or variants. There was a time when Red Hat/CentOS were the preferred distros.

    Yeah, if there's a package available there's going to be a .deb. The

    Exactly, though even more common now is a complete apt repository, so you just download a .deb or a script that installs the repository, then apt-get install <package>. :)

    AUR is super nice in Arch though. ---

    I was considering Arch at one stage, but never got around to it.



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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Dennisk on Monday, August 17, 2020 17:34:00
    On 08-17-20 08:59, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    From yum? Yes. If you know yum, you know dnf.

    Cool, of course, I could even do:

    ln -s dnf yum

    from the directory dnf resides in.

    I tend to find that there are sometimes .deb's where there aren't
    .rpms. Not often, but it does happen. Typically with software
    packaged by the software creator. On occasion, I've found a .deb, but
    no .rpm.

    I even have software that not only had a .deb, but a complete apt repository, and some that are quite distribution specific - I had to use Debian 9 to successfully install the AllStarLink RoIP system. The .debs would install on other distros like Ubuntu 18.04, but the source for Dahdi (the drivers) wouldn't compile on Ubuntu.

    Not a deal breaker, as its rare, but .deb system have a slight
    advantage there, and is probably the one factor which pushes me toward Debian.

    Yeah, the availability of apt repos and version specificity has definitely kept me in the Debian camp in recent years.


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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Andeddu on Monday, August 17, 2020 03:06:41
    On 8/13/2020 11:00 AM, Andeddu wrote:

    20GB should be enough of a threshold for most people. Having a phone with an uncapped unlimited data plan has sure changed the way I use technology. I pretty much just use my phone these days... I very rarely browse the web on my
    PC and the only other device I use to go online is my iPad. Around a decade ago
    I used my laptop to carry out at least 90% of all my media consumption.

    How things change!

    Yeah... I use a combination of things... I'm WFH, and have a wired VPN
    device for my work laptop. Beyond this, there's a combination of
    devices connected to the TVs. I have my Shield TV, fiance and daughter
    prefer Fire sticks, and there's also chromecasting. I do watch youtube
    on TV, but will use my phone a lot of the time.

    --
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Digital Man on Monday, August 17, 2020 03:15:54
    On 8/13/2020 6:37 PM, Digital Man wrote:

    Especially now with USB-C: you can get power, video, USB, memory card I/O, all in one little dongle.

    Haven't had much luck with the USB-C based docks at work. Sometimes
    video locks up, and have to open the laptop and see that it just hung on
    the dock... sometimes power charging doesn't work and the laptop just dies.

    At home, I have the charger directly a usb + hdmi through my kvm at my
    desk, which does good enough. I'm using a single large monitor so it
    works well enough for my use lately.

    --
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Dennisk on Monday, August 17, 2020 03:22:27
    On 8/14/2020 8:11 AM, Dennisk wrote:

    Being able to compile the kernel, and choose what goes into it was something that surprised me. It was one of the first things I tried to customise! (After
    selecting the window manager I wanted). I borked the system a few times, but my compiled kernel did run faster and leaner. I mostly customize the GUI (I use FVWM, which allows for some heavy customisation, more than any other WM I've used), the shell, streamlining things, and changing some niggly defaults that don't suit me and adding things I think are missing (like a shutdown/reboot button) on the XDM login screen, disabling pulseaudio, adding the -CK kernel patch, adding scripts, etc, occasionally using my own copy of a
    binary instead of the distro one (I try to avoid this, because its a headache during updates).

    I did a Gentoo install once about a decade and a half ago for a database server, I literally only wanted the minimum for the database server
    software installed. Man, that was a total pain, but it ran really well.

    For my personal use, I'm inclined to go with PopOS or Linux Mint
    (Cinnamon). I just don't like taking the time tbh, I'd rather just get
    stuff done. On the servers, mostly Ubuntu Server, or use the hosted kubernetes option. I'll use alpine for app base docker container
    versions when possible, usually debian otherwise.

    For the couple things I've played around in with Rust, can use a bare container, which is pretty nifty.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to DaiTengu on Monday, August 17, 2020 03:26:53
    On 8/14/2020 12:35 PM, DaiTengu wrote:

    It's been some time since I tried to play with Arch, I keep meaning to go back to it, but honestly, dealing with Linux all day really has killed my desire to tinker with it in my free time. :)

    That's effectively me and programming on side/personal projects that I
    want to work on, but really quickly lose motivation.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Andeddu on Monday, August 17, 2020 03:46:53
    On 8/16/2020 9:28 AM, Andeddu wrote:
    There are some things I guess I don't pay much attention to. There's a TV >> show called Breaking Bad, which was apparently fairly popular, but I had
    never heard of it until there was a news story that it was in its last
    season. :P

    Haha, I think everone's seen Breaking Bad over here except me, I can't be arsed
    watching something that's 5+ seasons long. Too much to get through, so I'd rather not bother.

    It's a decent show. You don't have to binge it, you can do it just like
    any syndication show, watching an episode a night during the week to
    wind down.

    If you like "Breaking Bad" should also give "The Shield" a view.

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  • From Dennisk@VERT/EOTLBBS to Vk3jed on Monday, August 17, 2020 21:59:00
    Vk3jed wrote to Dennisk <=-

    On 08-17-20 08:59, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    From yum? Yes. If you know yum, you know dnf.

    Cool, of course, I could even do:

    ln -s dnf yum

    from the directory dnf resides in.


    I just found that I stil have yum installed!

    I tend to find that there are sometimes .deb's where there aren't
    .rpms. Not often, but it does happen. Typically with software
    packaged by the software creator. On occasion, I've found a .deb, but
    no .rpm.

    I even have software that not only had a .deb, but a complete apt repository, and some that are quite distribution specific - I had to
    use Debian 9 to successfully install the AllStarLink RoIP system. The .debs would install on other distros like Ubuntu 18.04, but the source
    for Dahdi (the drivers) wouldn't compile on Ubuntu.

    Not a deal breaker, as its rare, but .deb system have a slight
    advantage there, and is probably the one factor which pushes me toward Debian.

    Yeah, the availability of apt repos and version specificity has
    definitely kept me in the Debian camp in recent years.

    Perhaps not worth moving on for you then?

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to MRO on Monday, August 17, 2020 11:14:25
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: MRO to Andeddu on Sun Aug 16 2020 07:38 pm

    it's similar but not the same entirely. i find it less enjoyable and i'm not an avid user.

    I never used Vine or TikTok but I have seen my fair share of videos posted on YouTube. I agree, some can be highly entertaining. There will be a gap in the market for a new app to take over should TikTok be banned in the US.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Monday, August 17, 2020 16:54:58
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Tracker1 to Andeddu on Mon Aug 17 2020 03:06 am

    Yeah... I use a combination of things... I'm WFH, and have a wired VPN


    what the hell is WFH

    white fat human?
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Monday, August 17, 2020 16:56:05
    Re: Re: This strange world
    By: Tracker1 to Digital Man on Mon Aug 17 2020 03:15 am


    At home, I have the charger directly a usb + hdmi through my kvm at my desk, which does good enough. I'm using a single large monitor so it works well enough for my use lately.


    so you have a huge display right? i was going to do that but i was leary.

    what specs do i need to look for so i can do desktop computing and gaming.
    i want everything clear like a smaller display
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Andeddu on Monday, August 17, 2020 17:00:07
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Andeddu to MRO on Mon Aug 17 2020 11:14 am

    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: MRO to Andeddu on Sun Aug 16 2020 07:38 pm

    it's similar but not the same entirely. i find it less enjoyable and
    i'm not an avid user.

    I never used Vine or TikTok but I have seen my fair share of videos posted on YouTube. I agree, some can be highly entertaining. There will be a gap


    the thing about vine is it was quick, it was entertaining and it was easy.
    and you could use 3rd party apps
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Dennisk on Tuesday, August 18, 2020 08:21:00
    On 08-17-20 21:59, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I just found that I stil have yum installed!

    Haha is it actual yum or a symlink to dnf?

    Yeah, the availability of apt repos and version specificity has
    definitely kept me in the Debian camp in recent years.

    Perhaps not worth moving on for you then?

    At this time, no, but if there's something I intend to use heavily that requires Red Hat/Fedora, or at least strongly prefers a RH flavoured distro, then I will seriously consider Fedora over CentOS.


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  • From Hatton@VERT/THRCORN to MRO on Tuesday, August 18, 2020 01:31:23
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: MRO to Tracker1 on Mon Aug 17 2020 04:54 pm

    Yeah... I use a combination of things... I'm WFH, and have a wired
    VPN

    what the hell is WFH

    white fat human?

    ROFLMAO... thanks for the laugh of the night!

    WFH in this case probably means Working From Home, esepcially with the added context of a wired VPN.

    But still, I needed the laugh... thanks!

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to MRO on Tuesday, August 18, 2020 15:35:00
    On 08-17-20 16:54, MRO wrote to Tracker1 <-

    what the hell is WFH

    Working from home. :)


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  • From Dennisk@VERT/EOTLBBS to Vk3jed on Tuesday, August 18, 2020 21:15:00
    Vk3jed wrote to Dennisk <=-

    On 08-17-20 21:59, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I just found that I stil have yum installed!

    Haha is it actual yum or a symlink to dnf?

    It's a symlink to dnf!

    Yeah, the availability of apt repos and version specificity has
    definitely kept me in the Debian camp in recent years.

    Perhaps not worth moving on for you then?

    At this time, no, but if there's something I intend to use heavily that requires Red Hat/Fedora, or at least strongly prefers a RH flavoured distro, then I will seriously consider Fedora over CentOS.

    Cool. If any questions, let me know.

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  • From Atroxi@VERT to calcmandan on Thursday, August 13, 2020 20:57:00
    calcmandan wrote to Atroxi <=-

    Atroxi wrote to calcmandan <=-

    Yeah, that... religious war can be pretty rough sometimes. I also
    prefer not to get myself involved in any zealotry when it comes to text editors. I always take the stance that: "I use what works for me!" and leave it at that.

    Yeah. Surprisingly, there was never a similar debate on wysiwyg editors
    in the html web days. I suppose those days didn't last long enough.

    Daniel Traechin

    Yup, probably. Imagine some emacs and vim guys have been duking it out since the 80s, that's intergenerational warfare I tell you. Haha!

    ... Perhaps not so happy.
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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Tracker1 on Tuesday, August 18, 2020 19:40:13
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Tracker1 to Andeddu on Mon Aug 17 2020 03:06 am

    Yeah... I use a combination of things... I'm WFH, and have a wired VPN device for my work laptop. Beyond this, there's a combination of
    devices connected to the TVs. I have my Shield TV, fiance and daughter prefer Fire sticks, and there's also chromecasting. I do watch youtube
    on TV, but will use my phone a lot of the time.

    Shield TV... as in the nVidia shield? I haven't heard about that thing for a long time. Do you stream your PC onto your TV screen?

    My friend sometimes brings his Chromecast along to mine so we can watch football matches on his BT subscription... it's a brillaint versatile device. I don't have anything for my TV as all the apps I need are already on it. If I had to move from house to house, a Chromecast would be nice.

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Tracker1 on Tuesday, August 18, 2020 19:51:57
    Re: Re: BBSes today
    By: Tracker1 to Andeddu on Mon Aug 17 2020 03:46 am

    It's a decent show. You don't have to binge it, you can do it just like
    any syndication show, watching an episode a night during the week to
    wind down.

    If you like "Breaking Bad" should also give "The Shield" a view.

    --
    Michael J. Ryan

    I'll keep The Shield in mind. The first long running show I have to get through will have to be Game of Thrones. I have never watched it before, so I really must.

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Dennisk on Wednesday, August 19, 2020 13:32:00
    On 08-18-20 21:15, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Haha is it actual yum or a symlink to dnf?

    It's a symlink to dnf!

    Haha that'll definitely work. :D

    At this time, no, but if there's something I intend to use heavily that requires Red Hat/Fedora, or at least strongly prefers a RH flavoured distro, then I will seriously consider Fedora over CentOS.

    Cool. If any questions, let me know.

    OK, will do. I'm pretty distro agnostic, it depends more on the workload than anything else. :)


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  • From Atroxi@VERT to Dennisk on Tuesday, August 18, 2020 22:02:00
    Dennisk wrote to Atroxi <=-

    Atroxi wrote to Dennisk <=-

    Dennisk wrote to MRO <=-

    MRO wrote to Dennisk <=-

    Re: Re: Linux
    By: Dennisk to MRO on Mon Aug 10 2020 08:50 pm

    boot things out the window far too often.

    why is windows so hard for you? they designed it so even idiots wont
    have problems with it. ---

    Idiots may not have problems with it, but anyone who isn't one, will.


    if someone is smart enough, they will be smart enough not to have problems. ---

    I don't think it works quite like that. Some people are too smart, and end up creating problems they didn't need to.

    Yeah, I remember years ago when I really wanted to customize the crap
    out of the Windows 7 box, with all those custom aero stuff and
    aesthetic stuff that only a nerd teenager would care about. I went into
    a dive of modifying system files to the point of breaking my system
    just because I wanted to change the way it works. Then, I found
    GNU/Linux and it blew my mind how I can actually build a custom system from the ground up instead of stripping one away and making it custom (though still not quite).

    Being able to compile the kernel, and choose what goes into it was something that surprised me. It was one of the first things I tried to customise! (After selecting the window manager I wanted). I borked the system a few times, but my compiled kernel did run faster and leaner.
    I mostly customize the GUI (I use FVWM, which allows for some heavy customisation, more than any other WM I've used), the shell,
    streamlining things, and changing some niggly defaults that don't suit
    me and adding things I think are missing (like a shutdown/reboot
    button) on the XDM login screen, disabling pulseaudio, adding the -CK kernel patch, adding scripts, etc,

    Oh yes. What a thrill doing something like that is. A few months ago I dived head-first into Gentoo and suddenly a whole world of customization was opened to me. I never imagined how these small tweaks would actually be beneficial on the long run but it did. Sadly, the amount of time compiling packages really took a toll on me, haha! And I feel like I'm not yet smart enough to deal with stuff or maybe I'm just lazy to give up a weekend to just learn the stuff.

    Right now I've pretty much integrated my whole setup around using bspwm and terminal applications. It's surprising to me actually how little that I need to have to be able to use my computer productively (or not, haha!). Most of the time I'm just writing stuff and that's done through vim and I either compile it to LaTeX or groff. Other than that, most of the stuff that I have are scripts that I wrote to manage the system's functions like using dmenu as a power menu, display menu, mount menu, etc. I think right now the only thing that I'm missing is the ability to do spreadsheets, and while libreoffice does that I would like to do spreadsheets in the commandline.

    occasionally using my own copy of a binary instead of the distro one
    (I try to avoid this, because its a headache during updates).

    Oh man. It IS a pain.

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  • From Dennisk@VERT/EOTLBBS to Atroxi on Monday, August 24, 2020 21:55:00
    Atroxi wrote to Dennisk <=-

    Dennisk wrote to Atroxi <=-

    Atroxi wrote to Dennisk <=-

    Dennisk wrote to MRO <=-

    MRO wrote to Dennisk <=-

    Re: Re: Linux
    By: Dennisk to MRO on Mon Aug 10 2020 08:50 pm

    boot things out the window far too often.

    why is windows so hard for you? they designed it so even idiots wont
    have problems with it. ---

    Idiots may not have problems with it, but anyone who isn't one, will.


    if someone is smart enough, they will be smart enough not to have problems. ---

    I don't think it works quite like that. Some people are too smart, and end up creating problems they didn't need to.

    Yeah, I remember years ago when I really wanted to customize the crap
    out of the Windows 7 box, with all those custom aero stuff and
    aesthetic stuff that only a nerd teenager would care about. I went into
    a dive of modifying system files to the point of breaking my system
    just because I wanted to change the way it works. Then, I found
    GNU/Linux and it blew my mind how I can actually build a custom system from the ground up instead of stripping one away and making it custom (though still not quite).

    Being able to compile the kernel, and choose what goes into it was something that surprised me. It was one of the first things I tried to customise! (After selecting the window manager I wanted). I borked the system a few times, but my compiled kernel did run faster and leaner.
    I mostly customize the GUI (I use FVWM, which allows for some heavy customisation, more than any other WM I've used), the shell,
    streamlining things, and changing some niggly defaults that don't suit
    me and adding things I think are missing (like a shutdown/reboot
    button) on the XDM login screen, disabling pulseaudio, adding the -CK kernel patch, adding scripts, etc,

    Oh yes. What a thrill doing something like that is. A few months ago I dived head-first into Gentoo and suddenly a whole world of
    customization was opened to me. I never imagined how these small tweaks would actually be beneficial on the long run but it did. Sadly, the
    amount of time compiling packages really took a toll on me, haha! And I feel like I'm not yet smart enough to deal with stuff or maybe I'm just lazy to give up a weekend to just learn the stuff.

    Right now I've pretty much integrated my whole setup around using bspwm and terminal applications. It's surprising to me actually how little
    that I need to have to be able to use my computer productively (or not, haha!). Most of the time I'm just writing stuff and that's done through vim and I either compile it to LaTeX or groff. Other than that, most of the stuff that I have are scripts that I wrote to manage the system's functions like using dmenu as a power menu, display menu, mount menu,
    etc. I think right now the only thing that I'm missing is the ability
    to do spreadsheets, and while libreoffice does that I would like to do spreadsheets in the commandline.

    occasionally using my own copy of a binary instead of the distro one
    (I try to avoid this, because its a headache during updates).

    Oh man. It IS a pain.

    I like groff/nroff. I have some reports that I generate, and instead of using Office productivity programs, I write a program in D to parse some CSV files, and some text explanations I put in two text files, and insert the results of the CSV files as tables into a groff template. (Its a financial report). All I then have to do, is fill in a couple of CSV files, download two more, type text comments in two files, and run a script, and I have a formatted PDF report.

    Another one I do, I did in Open Office, but I found it fidgety (and awkward). So again, a simple CSV file or two, gnuplot and groff, and the report is generated, a PDF with a report and graphs and tables. Sure, it took longer to set up, but once done, I generate the reports in no time. Consistently and fast. In the long run, I save time. If there is some other function I need, I can quickly write it up in the programming language of my choice (or use the unix tools).

    FVWM makes things even easiser, as that Window Manager has its own scripting language and ability to create forms, so I can generate these with a keypress from my Window Manager, bringing up a form, where I can fill a few details to enter.

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  • From calcmandan@VERT/DIGDIST to Atroxi on Saturday, August 22, 2020 18:25:00
    Atroxi wrote to calcmandan <=-

    calcmandan wrote to Atroxi <=-

    Atroxi wrote to calcmandan <=-

    Yeah, that... religious war can be pretty rough sometimes. I also
    prefer not to get myself involved in any zealotry when it comes to text editors. I always take the stance that: "I use what works for me!" and leave it at that.

    Yeah. Surprisingly, there was never a similar debate on wysiwyg editors
    in the html web days. I suppose those days didn't last long enough.

    Daniel Traechin

    Yup, probably. Imagine some emacs and vim guys have been duking it out since the 80s, that's intergenerational warfare I tell you. Haha!

    It's the crusades of the computer world. Just imagine if there was a competitor to the abacus.

    Daniel Traechin

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to MRO on Tuesday, September 08, 2020 00:57:45
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Arelor on Wed Aug 05 2020 09:11 pm

    I dont think many people actually have fiber. i have to use spectrum which is only like 10MB down and 2MB up. sucks.

    I have Spectrum cable here and it's pretty good (200MB down, 10MB up). It's their cheapest business tier which is required if you want static IP addresses. I think it costs me $79 a month.

    digital man

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Tuesday, September 08, 2020 17:15:16
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Tue Sep 08 2020 12:57 am

    Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Arelor on Wed Aug 05 2020 09:11 pm

    I dont think many people actually have fiber. i have to use spectrum
    which is only like 10MB down and 2MB up. sucks.

    I have Spectrum cable here and it's pretty good (200MB down, 10MB up). It's their cheapest business tier which is required if you want static IP addresses. I think it costs me $79 a month.

    over by me they took over from timewarner so they have their infrastructure. we've always had static ips. i could probably get faster speeds if i use
    my cable modem.
    i think i pay 60 with ten buck promo off the 70.

    (i am now using Mb instead of MB) if i pay 20 bucks more i can go from 200Mbps to 400Mbps

    i think my upload limitations are based on the area. i had much faster upload speeds when i lived 20 miles away.
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  • From Hatton@VERT/THRCORN to MRO on Wednesday, September 09, 2020 03:00:33
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Digital Man on Tue Sep 08 2020 05:15 pm

    over by me they took over from timewarner so they have their infrastructure. we've always had static ips. i could probably get faster speeds if i use my cable modem.

    (i am now using Mb instead of MB) if i pay 20 bucks more i can go from 200Mbps to 400Mbps

    Same for me here, though I don't use my cablemode for hosting our BBS (it's on a VPS instead) so no need for a static IP.

    What's rank is that my wife's business has to pay twice the rate and gets half the speeds.

    Hatton

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to MRO on Wednesday, September 09, 2020 09:11:04
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Digital Man on Tue Sep 08 2020 05:15 pm

    (i am now using Mb instead of MB) if i pay 20 bucks more i can go from 200Mbps to 400Mbps

    Sounds similar to the service offering here. And yeah, I meant Mb (bits) when I too wrote MB before.

    digital man

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Digital Man on Thursday, September 10, 2020 18:26:48
    Re: Steam DRM
    By: Digital Man to MRO on Wed Sep 09 2020 09:11 am

    Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Digital Man on Tue Sep 08 2020 05:15 pm

    (i am now using Mb instead of MB) if i pay 20 bucks more i can go from
    200Mbps to 400Mbps

    Sounds similar to the service offering here. And yeah, I meant Mb (bits) when I too wrote MB before.

    digital man

    when i was writing MB i meant megabyte. sucks that my upload speed isnt even 2MB. i think it's because i'm in a heavily populated area.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to MRO on Monday, September 21, 2020 15:37:06
    On 9/10/2020 4:26 PM, MRO wrote:

    when i was writing MB i meant megabyte. sucks that my upload speed isnt even 2MB. i think it's because i'm in a heavily populated area.

    Mine's not much more than that (20Mbps ~= 2.5MBps). Most users don't
    use much upload, so ISPs use many more channels for download vs upload.
    You can always get a dedicated symmetric connection, but those aren't
    cheap. I get 200mbit down, 20 up.


    --
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Monday, September 28, 2020 09:15:22
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: Tracker1 to MRO on Mon Sep 21 2020 03:37 pm

    On 9/10/2020 4:26 PM, MRO wrote:

    when i was writing MB i meant megabyte. sucks that my upload speed
    isnt even 2MB. i think it's because i'm in a heavily populated area.

    Mine's not much more than that (20Mbps ~= 2.5MBps). Most users don't
    use much upload, so ISPs use many more channels for download vs upload. You can always get a dedicated symmetric connection, but those aren't cheap. I get 200mbit down, 20 up.


    i'm in a big city. i should have gigabit dammit!
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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to MRO on Tuesday, September 29, 2020 11:13:56
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Tracker1 on Mon Sep 28 2020 09:15 am

    when i was writing MB i meant megabyte. sucks that my upload speed
    isnt even 2MB. i think it's because i'm in a heavily populated area.

    i'm in a big city. i should have gigabit dammit!

    My office is a few miles from Google/Facebook, we couldn't get anything above vDSL (6mb down, .5kb up) until about a year ago, but now were at 10Mb symetrical because it's so fucking expensive. We can go up to a gigabit, but our IT [female dog] is dumb as nails, and fucked over our relationship with the fiber line gods (AT*T).

    I mean, we don't need more than what we have, but it still pisses me off.

    I just moved to Marina in Monterey County and I now have access to gigabit if I want it, but it's through comsuck. I got 200mb to try them out, and they can't maintain that speed except for like 3am in the morning, so fuck them.

    Internet in America is only just better than Australia, and I guarantee you Australia will switch places with us in the next few years.

    --
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Android8675 on Tuesday, September 29, 2020 20:48:39
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: Android8675 to MRO on Tue Sep 29 2020 11:13 am

    I just moved to Marina in Monterey County and I now have access to gigabit if I want it, but it's through comsuck. I got 200mb to try them out, and they can't maintain that speed except for like 3am in the morning, so fuck them.

    Internet in America is only just better than Australia, and I guarantee you Australia will switch places with us in the next few years.



    well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville] they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig through people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they can patch it up but people arent happy with it.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Wednesday, September 30, 2020 08:13:18
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Android8675 on Tue Sep 29 2020 08:48 pm

    well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville] they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig through people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they can patch it up but people arent happy with it.

    There's an internet company in my area that does fiber (there are a couple) that recently did that down the street where I work. They had to dig small holes down through the sidewalk so they could run the fiber cable through, then patched the holes. Now there are round spaces with black concrete in them in the sidewalk.

    Nightfox

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to MRO on Wednesday, September 30, 2020 11:03:56
    On 9/29/2020 6:48 PM, MRO wrote:

    well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville] they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig through people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they can patch it up but people arent happy with it.

    From what I've read, regarding micro trenching, it hasn't been very
    good in terms of reliability... a lot of need for re-runs, unless it's
    gotten better.

    --
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Wednesday, September 30, 2020 16:16:18
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Sep 30 2020 08:13 am


    There's an internet company in my area that does fiber (there are a couple) that recently did that down the street where I work. They had to dig small holes down through the sidewalk so they could run the fiber cable through, then patched the holes. Now there are round spaces with black concrete in them in the sidewalk.



    i dont know why they just dont piggy back the power lines. that's what they used to do with cable.
    maybe they get damaged.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Wednesday, September 30, 2020 16:18:24
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: Tracker1 to MRO on Wed Sep 30 2020 11:03 am

    On 9/29/2020 6:48 PM, MRO wrote:

    well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville]
    they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig through
    people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they
    can patch it up but people arent happy with it.

    From what I've read, regarding micro trenching, it hasn't been very
    good in terms of reliability... a lot of need for re-runs, unless it's gotten better.



    well i just looked it up and they arent going past the frost line. so that means all kinds of shit can happen. in the very least their patches will pop up and down.
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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to MRO on Wednesday, October 07, 2020 08:16:58
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Android8675 on Tue Sep 29 2020 08:48 pm

    I just moved to Marina in Monterey County and I now have access to gigabit if I want it, but it's through comsuck. I got
    200mb to try them out, and they can't maintain that speed except for like 3am in the morning, so fuck them.

    well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville] they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig
    through people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they can patch it up but people arent happy with it.

    I'd be curious as to how that goes. I've heard of city municipalities opening their own fiber Internet Service for city residents and are able to offer deals like what Google Fiber was doing (1gb for like $30/month). I suspect if people were pushed just a bit around here we could convince the city gov to at least look into something like that.

    I know any place considered "rural" should look into that I guess.

    --
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  • From Android8675@VERT/SHODAN to Nightfox on Wednesday, October 07, 2020 08:18:00
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Sep 30 2020 08:13 am

    There's an internet company in my area that does fiber (there are a couple) that recently did that down the street where I work.
    They had to dig small holes down through the sidewalk so they could run the fiber cable through, then patched the holes. Now
    there are round spaces with black concrete in them in the sidewalk.

    Does it look OK, or stupid, or ugly? Man if some company came in and fucked up my sidewalks I'd be pissed.

    --
    Android8675@ShodansCore

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Android8675 on Wednesday, October 07, 2020 12:21:34
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: Android8675 to Nightfox on Wed Oct 07 2020 08:18 am

    There's an internet company in my area that does fiber (there are a
    couple) that recently did that down the street where I work. They had
    to dig small holes down through the sidewalk so they could run the
    fiber cable through, then patched the holes. Now there are round
    spaces with black concrete in them in the sidewalk.

    Does it look OK, or stupid, or ugly? Man if some company came in and fucked up my sidewalks I'd be pissed.

    I think it looks somewhat ugly, but then, I'm not the type to really care so much about the appearance of the sidewalk near where I live/work. As long as people can walk across it, I guess it's doing it's job. Also, I think a sidewalk is public property rather than your own property - Utility companies or the city may need to come do work on it if they need to drill for cables or a storm drain, etc.. I don't think the sidewalk is yours to do what you want with.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Android8675 on Thursday, October 08, 2020 17:09:40
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: Android8675 to Nightfox on Wed Oct 07 2020 08:18 am

    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Sep 30 2020 08:13 am

    There's an internet company in my area that does fiber (there are a
    couple) that recently did that down the street where I work.
    They had to dig small holes down through the sidewalk so they could
    run the fiber cable through, then patched the holes. Now
    there are round spaces with black concrete in them in the sidewalk.

    Does it look OK, or stupid, or ugly? Man if some company came in and fucked up my sidewalks I'd be pissed.



    i guess google tried 'nano trenching' in lousville ky and it was a huge failure and it looks like shit. also repaving roads damaged the lines.

    i guess the deeper trenches dont fuck up as bad due to tire wear, but it still looks like a black line of tar of whatever where they laid the fiber optics.
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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to MRO on Thursday, October 08, 2020 21:29:20
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Android8675 on Thu Oct 08 2020 05:09 pm

    i guess google tried 'nano trenching' in lousville ky and it was a huge fail and it looks like shit. also repaving roads damaged the lines.

    Whatever happened to that google wifi for all??

    HusTler

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to HusTler on Thursday, October 08, 2020 23:33:11
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: HusTler to MRO on Thu Oct 08 2020 09:29 pm

    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: MRO to Android8675 on Thu Oct 08 2020 05:09 pm

    i guess google tried 'nano trenching' in lousville ky and it was a
    huge fail and it looks like shit. also repaving roads damaged the
    lines.

    Whatever happened to that google wifi for all??


    never happened.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Android8675 on Saturday, October 10, 2020 14:42:25
    On 10/7/2020 8:16 AM, Android8675 wrote:
    well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville] they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig
    through people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they can patch it up but people arent happy with it.

    I'd be curious as to how that goes. I've heard of city municipalities opening their own fiber Internet Service for city residents and are able to offer deals like what Google Fiber was doing (1gb for like $30/month). I suspect if people were pushed just a bit around here we could convince the city gov to at least look into something like that.

    I know any place considered "rural" should look into that I guess.

    A lot of the incumbent cable/phone providers have actually been lobbying
    state congresses to get legislation that prevents municipalities from
    offering telecom or internet services directly.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to MRO on Saturday, October 10, 2020 14:43:53
    On 10/8/2020 3:09 PM, MRO wrote:

    i guess google tried 'nano trenching' in lousville ky and it was a huge failure and it looks like shit. also repaving roads damaged the lines.

    i guess the deeper trenches dont fuck up as bad due to tire wear, but it still looks like a black line of tar of whatever where they laid the fiber optics.

    In contrast though, I see that kind of tar line on streets without
    fiber, just to "repair" cracks/wear.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Saturday, October 10, 2020 21:40:36
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: Tracker1 to MRO on Sat Oct 10 2020 02:43 pm

    On 10/8/2020 3:09 PM, MRO wrote:

    i guess google tried 'nano trenching' in lousville ky and it was a
    huge failure and it looks like shit. also repaving roads damaged the
    lines.

    i guess the deeper trenches dont fuck up as bad due to tire wear, but
    it still looks like a black line of tar of whatever where they laid
    the fiber
    optics.


    now imagine your internet going out for a week after some dipshit
    contractor digs up an area without contacting the company who owns the fiber

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  • From Android8675@VERT/PHARCYDE to Nightfox on Monday, October 12, 2020 11:35:53
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: Nightfox to Android8675 on Wed Oct 07 2020 12:21 pm

    fucked up my sidewalks I'd be pissed.

    I think it looks somewhat ugly, but then, I'm not the type to really care so much about the appearance of the sidewalk near where I live/work. As long as people can walk across it, I guess it's doing it's job. Also, I think a sidewalk is public property rather than your own property - Utility

    Right, I forget about that, but still property values, etc. Look at me, I buy my first house less than a year ago and i'm turning into a NIMBY'ite.

    companies or the city may need to come do work on it if they need to drill for cables or a storm drain, etc.. I don't think the sidewalk is yours to do what you want with.

    *sniff*


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  • From Android8675@VERT/PHARCYDE to HusTler on Monday, October 12, 2020 11:38:54
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: HusTler to MRO on Thu Oct 08 2020 09:29 pm

    Whatever happened to that google wifi for all??

    I think SpaceX has taken over that project. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/03/spacex-starlink-satellite-internet-network-early-tests-show-fast-speeds.html


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Monday, October 12, 2020 18:16:15
    Re: Re: Steam DRM
    By: Tracker1 to MRO on Sat Oct 10 2020 02:43 pm

    In contrast though, I see that kind of tar line on streets without
    fiber, just to "repair" cracks/wear.

    it doesnt work if cars drive over it. it gets ripped out.
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