Re: Re: Fourth Industrial Rev
By: Dennisk to Andeddu on Sat Aug 15 2020 05:09 pm

That happens in the private sector too. Managers want larger budgets, and want to have more people working for them. Inefficiencies are overlooked because to someone outside of the department, it can be hard to tell where the inefficiences are.

I watched a video by PragerU a while back where they looked at the inefficiencies of laying down infastructure in the West as opposed to the East. It costs 3-4x more to produce anything, be it a bridge, tram, subway system, road, or anything kind of infastructure in the USA than in Japan. And it also takes months longer to get any work actually going, such is the amount of bureaucracy and red tape.

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Re: Re: Fourth Industrial Rev
By: Dennisk to Andeddu on Thu Aug 13 2020 09:35 am

may not even really care about. IT's already with us if you ask me.

Intelle

ctual, political and economic achievements of the 21st century pale in comparison to the

19th. Our art is stagnating, as well as technological development. Our

movi

es are mostly rehashes, remakes, or very derivative. Even our "pop culture" heavily

reference the past. I see kids movies which still reference movies form the

6

0s. Although our technology is improving in some ways, the
breakthroughs aren't like wha

Part of the cause of cultural stagnation is that you have to go through
a gatekeper to get creative works published. Publishers and movie
makers happen to like formulas that work. If you send them something groundbreaking, or something they love but they can't classify, they
are more likely to dump it than not. It was probably easier to get published by a magazine when half the population couldn't write and
there were not many writer wannabes trying to get published. Nowadays
an editor will run through close to a thousand submissions a month and only gets to publish 10.

Not everything is bad though. There re lots of niche publications fot "less popular" things, but the way things are, they are not very profitable. You can make 12 cents per word writing Urban Fantasy that
has been done to the death, or you can make half a cent per word soing something else.

Yes, that is a large part of it. The "entertainment industry" is risk averse (as are most people), and will stick with what is a tried and true phenomenon. The other part may be the audience, as the major entertainment companies now need to market not only to their own home country, or the English speaking world, or the West, but also to other non-Western nations. This has been given as a possible reason for why depth is missing from movies, because for many people not too familiar with English, or our culture, it would be too dense, too inpenetrable.

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I think a way around the UBI, is if automation is in place, then the nation is also a part of the member organisation, and also bears responsibility for inputs, and is part owner of the product. We would collectively own a share of everything produced by automation, because
it is our automation doing it.

Yeah, I could see why that would work. Collective ownership, that is
also practiced not just in paper, helps in dealing with an automated future (to be honest, it would also help now).

It could solve quite a few problems. Workers would not vote to
offshore their jobs. They would not vote for companies to engage in
"Woke Politics", or many of the other things that companies do, that is not in the interests of anyone. People engaged in the company would now have a right to say what the company represents. One of the awful,
awful things that companies do, is they state they stand for this or
that, but in reality, its just the opinion of a few in PR, and not the opinion of all those that keep the company going.

Yup, exactly. It's quite disgusting to see that actually, anything they touch dilutes, loses its meaning and becomes nothing but fodder for the marketing engine.

IT wouldn't be so bad if it were confined just to the office, but
people in management new view themselves not just as managers of a productive task, but life coaches and people responsible for shaping society. The corporate world views itself as a replacement for Church.

Any big company nowadays goes around espousing that they value this or they value that and that they stand for this or they stand for that. I think they are already the church for most people especially with how prevalent they are in places where people usually access information. Sadly, they are a church whose words, and oftentimes only words, are motivated by how much profit they are projected to get from their "userbase" in the next quarter.

I don't know if this was real or just an edited picture but I saw once
a picture of someone on stage of what I assume to be a facebook conference, mostly due to the font choice in the slide shown. Either
way, it stated:

"Turn customers into fanatics
Products into obsessions
Employees to ambassadors
and brands into religions."

And so they did.

I would have no trouble at all believing that slide was real. I've personally heard similar things myself, and many companies want to
emulate Silicon Valley.
That kind of thinking is very much in line with how people who manage companies think.

You are spot on with stating that companies are like a church, and they are taking advantage of this. I'm not even sure that company profit is even the core goal, I think it may more be self-aggrandisement and more individal, self-serving goals.

This is just plain scary. There is nothing more terrifying than an institution bloated with hubris and has an ability to realize its self-serving desires. Every day I wake up, I feel like the world is getting closer and closer to a Blade Runner-esque dystopic future.

The discussion of values should be left to the philosophers in society.
IT doesn't bode well at all for us that it is now formulated by execs.

Exactly. I couldn't agree more on that.

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